Guns On Campus Will Damage Nevada Schools

Allow guns onto college campuses? That’s what the Nevada Senate said when it passed SB231 in a 15-6 vote on Saturday, despite campus and Las Vegas police testifying against the bill. Law enforcement says it will do more harm than good.

If the bill becomes law (it’s headed to the Assembly now), Nevada will be added to yet another ugly list that parents just might pick up on when choosing which state to send their kids for college.

A new website called ArmedCampuses.Org may help them figure it out. It has a list of schools that allow guns on campus, and some compelling reasons why it ain’t such a grand idea.

So SB231 just might help kill off some of our out-of-state tuition income that helps to fund education in Nevada.

If you look at the site, you’ll see that only a handful of states allow guns on college campuses.  Maybe that’s because College campuses are far safer than anywhere else for a number of reasons, including ample security and the fact that strong laws deter gun toting on campuses.

The numbers may astound you. The murder rate on college campuses is .07 per 100,000 students. The murder rate everywhere else is 5.7 per 100,000 persons overall, and 14.1 per 100K for ages 17-29.

This chart shows other violent crime rates at colleges compared to the United States overall.

U.S. vs. College Crime Rates, 2000

Crime U.S. Crime Rate College Crime Rate
Murder 5.7 .13
Forcible Rape 32.0 12.4
Robbery 144.9 12.9
Aggravated Assault 323.6 24.3

Here I thought conservatives believed that old maxim, ’if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.’

Look, rules like that just don’t apply to the gun lobby. If they are going to sell guns, they have to sell fear. Fear is contagious, and a popular tool of politicians because it’s relatively easy to use. The propaganda appears to be working here in Nevada.

They will point to the incidents in Chicago and Virginia Tech as examples of why we need to arm up our students. Experts suggest that arming students is highly unlikely to have any effect on such events.

The question we have to ask is if it’s really worth creating an environment where guns are welcome on campus because of two isolated incidents.

We also have to deal with the reality that perhaps arming students may have some detrimental effects to safety on our college campuses.  Maybe that’s why law enforcement, campus administrations and faculty are all against it.

Watch these videos of Virginia Tech victim against guns on campus.  Both videos are good.

Justin McAffee

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  • PL
    May 29, 2011, 6:22 pm

    Are Utah schools damaged? Do the carry rights of students in Utah universities create more harm than good in Utah universities? How about instead of the scare tactics, we use facts and reality. Who really cares what the crime rate is on a university is, 1 in 1000 is enough to want to keep me protected. Also, how about when I leave campus and have to go about town, now I can have my gun with me. Liberals make no sense, and the fact is, even though gun sales have been through the roof the last few years, crime has dropped. None of the scary situations you claim will happen, have happened. Get over it, we want protection. The University PD, which I have only seen maybe 4 times in 4 years I have been at UNLV, is not going to be in the parking lot when I get out of my class at 9PM to protect me.

    • NRAhero@PL
      May 29, 2011, 6:59 pm

      Then lock your gun in your car you stupid @#$% (perfectly legal) and keep it out of the classroom (should stay illegal). There are two ways to be guaranteed 99.99% safety: no one gets a gun or EVERYONE is FORCED to carry a gun. The later is impossible (most people won’t even have a gun in their home) and the former is what we already have on campuses. Pass this law and I can guarantee I won’t walk into a class without a Desert Eagle .50 on my waist and you do NOT want me carrying a gun. (Am I mentally stable? how the hell would you know? CCW’s don’t require that I be stable & never will!!!)

      • PL@NRAhero
        May 29, 2011, 10:02 pm

        Wow, couldn’t go a whole sentence before slinging your first personal insult, aye? Typical of ignorance. But no, it is not “perfectly legal” to leave your gun in the car. Because if you actually read the NRS concerning concealed carry, you would have seen that you are not allowed to bring a concealed weapon onto the ‘premises’ of the Nevada System of Higher Education. The definition of ‘premises’ includes the parking lot. So try reading something before you open your off, or else you just look silly. The rest of your comment is not worth answering because it is not relevant to the topic at hand, and does not counter anything I said in my post. And besides that, it’s just @#$%ing stupid, and shows your idiotic character.

    • Justin McAffee@PL
      May 29, 2011, 11:30 pm

      First, it’s .07 in 100,000 on college campuses, not 1 in 1000.

      Second, who is using scare tactics when you are citing to all the possible ways the boogeyman might get you on the way to your car at night?

      There are (and should be ample) security escorts available for those who feel the need at night when going to their car after class.

      Personally, I’m not convinced that you shouldn’t be allowed to have the gun in your car. Maybe that could be changed?

      • PL@Justin McAffee
        May 29, 2011, 11:47 pm

        The murder rate is .07 in 100,000, murder does not encompass ALL crime. And the scare tactics are the ones being used by anti’s who say all types of crazy stuff will happen if people, who already carry guns, bring them on college campuses. They never cite ANY reference to ANYTHING they say will happen, having happened somewhere where guns are allowed on campus. That is where the scare tactics come in. Have people been raped, robbed, mugged, beaten on college campuses? Yes, they have. Ask the girl from UNR who testified to the NV legislature that she was raped in the parking garage of UNR, but had she been able to have her gun, which she carries everywhere else, it might not have happened. But yet, it is 0 out of 1,000,000,000 incidents involving a CCW holder doing something crazy like the anti’s say will happen if people are allowed to carry. NV won’t set a precedence, campus carry is already allowed in a few states, and NO ONE can ever cite something bad having happened because of it. That is the scare tactics I am referring to my friend.

        Also, READ:
        NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.

        3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of:
        (a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education.

        ‘Premises’ as defined by Merriam Webster:

        b : a building or part of a building usually with its appurtenances (as grounds)

        So no, according to the NRS, it would illegal to leave your gun concealed in your car. And as a law abiding citizen, I don’t want to break the law. But of course the criminals intent on harming people don’t really give a damn what the law says..

        • Justin McAffee@PL
          May 30, 2011, 12:18 am

          I hear what you are saying on the premises issue and having the gun in your car.

          Not sure what the Courts might say on this issue. However, in the light of Heller, I suggest that your car is a lot like your home. It is protected against illegal searches and seizures for example. Banning guns in homes is just out. So perhaps the Heller decision will lead to an automobile exception.

          My original point was that the legislature can change the statute to allow the gun to remain in the car, but not on the grounds or in the buildings.

          Possible compromise.

          On your point about not having proof that Utah Schools are damaged by guns on campus, I’ll have to research. I’m not sure we’ll find any reported crimes by CCW holders. Give it some time. In any event, it’s more about the environment it creates. Not sure that’s easily proven, but the idea that students are packing heat in a classroom just doesn’t sit right, and some suggest it may hinder academic honesty.

          • PL@Justin McAffee
            May 30, 2011, 12:37 am

            Well, what they change or don’t change is the point. I for one do not like the idea of leaving guns in cars. That is how many-a-criminal get their hands on guns, by stealing it from the cars of CCW’ers who can’t take their gun into whatever building they need to go into, so they leave it in their cars. It also wouldn’t help someone such as the UNR rape victim who had not reached her car yet. We could argue under what domain the car lies, but who wants to be the test case? Who can afford it? Legally, there is no law what so ever about open carrying a gun anywhere, including colleges and schools, but who wants to be the one to fight the arrest and prosecution that would follow? It would be much better if people who can carry, can just carry. And again, ideas and notions are just that, ideas. And until things can be shown or proven, that is all they will remain.

  • Tony Wright
    May 30, 2011, 6:30 am

    Unless you are paranoid to begin with ( and many on the left are just that), the answer is it would not influence anything. Second, to claim you are an island of Non crime (when compared to the general population) is misleading, the fact is you still have crime. People have a right to self defense, and to demand that the weak disarm because you feel uncomfortable with them armed is disingenuous, unless you are willing to be their personal protection. (note: the “proper authorities” are only there to insure that order is kept and have no responsibility to protect any individual or respond to any actual threat). Giving law abiding people the option of CCW on campus will neither discourage free speech ( the professors are already doing that) or cause a “shootout”.

    May 30, 2011, 8:11 am

    There are guns on campus now. Criminals don’t care about silly campus rules, so they take guns wherever they want. Google “Amanda Collins and Brianna Dennison” and read the reality. 49,000 NV residents now have CCW permits and are around us everywhere. What makes anyone think those same individuals would cross the street walk on to a University campus and suddenly go crazy?

    • Justin McAffee@NVJJC
      June 2, 2011, 10:31 pm

      CCW holders killed a police officer in Nevada recently! With all due respect, Amanda Collins might not be alive today if she had a gun on her, particularly if she had tried to use it. Either way, there is almost no chance it would have helped her. A gun can rarely help you in any situation because you don’t have it out pointed at people all the time. If it’s in your pocket, and a criminal has you at gun point, you’ll be dead if you go for it.

  • Jack
    May 30, 2011, 10:38 am

    Can’t we just have strong recommendations on “pepper spray” or other non-fatal weapons to bring with you on-campus when you’re THAT worried you’ll be attacked and need to defend yourself? Guns are a right, but I wouldn’t trust half the people at my campus with one. It would always leave me on edge that they’ll use it irresponsibly whether or not they have a permit. I’d rather feel safe knowing law enforcement has guns and that we protect ourselves by other means when necessary.

    • Justin McAffee@Jack
      May 30, 2011, 10:57 am

      @Jack, I agree that guns are a right, but even Justice Scalia said in dictum D.C. v. Heller that it isn’t an absolute right. That the traditional bans like at schools are not changed by the ruling in that case. Much like freedom of speech ends when you go to work for the government. You can’t wear an expletive on your shirt and expect to be protected by 1st amendment at a gov. job.

      • Jack@Justin McAffee
        May 30, 2011, 11:56 am

        Oh, I agree it’s not an absolute right. We as a people have to understand compromises when it comes to such serious issues.

        I personally hate guns really. I don’t always understand the argument that you need them to “protect” yourself. I know there are situations where it is necessary, but at school? Anytime someone has brought weaponry to campus, everyone is told to not come to school because of their known danger.

        Understanding how people and the government in general do not want guns on public grounds available is so important so we can logical and rational decisions on these matters. There are all kinds of rules and laws that relate to “moderation” and “due care,” and they’re in place for good reason. Guns are a right, but they’re not an “absolute” right as you yourself said.

        • PL@Jack
          May 30, 2011, 5:25 pm

          The serious issue that should be no compromise when it comes to ones safety. It is OUR PERSONAL responsibility to protect ourselves and our loved ones, it’s not up to the police or security to do it for you. As great as police are, and I admire them and their courage, they can’t be everywhere, and prevention is not the name of their game..they are usually around after the fact unfortunately. It is up to US to protect US, and I want my right to be able to do that as I see fit. People keep speaking of irresponsible this, danger that, but have yet to show one instance of any of the terrifying things come true. It’s an illusion used by the anti gun establishment, ignoring facts, and the realization that most (not all) practice more with their firearms than the average cop. That is a fact.

          • PL@PL
            May 30, 2011, 5:26 pm

            Most concealed weapon license holders. I missed that.

          • Justin McAffee@PL
            May 31, 2011, 7:27 pm

            VA Tech police said the situation would have been much worse if there were additional gunmen in the crowd. Police are opposed to this for a reason.

        • Enzo@Jack
          August 26, 2011, 1:07 pm

          So any criminal can come up to you with a knife, stun gun, club or gun and just beat you up, take your money, rape you or kill you and you are fine with being a helpless idiot? I’m not.

        • AL@Jack
          January 18, 2012, 11:11 pm

          So Jack, you hate all guns? And what was the world before guns? Lest see…mass killings, slavery, torture, kings, despots, oppression…the bigger stronger men who were willing to do violence had the edge. Guns empowered individuals to level the field. You think if guns were gone the world would get better? Again, look at history. For fucks sakes. It allowed for many great things to happen. If you hate guns, I then have to say that you must really hate people and wish their ill will.

          • Nick@AL
            April 9, 2013, 9:06 pm

            My cursury take is that the guy who runs The Truth About Guns has plbbaory put his foot in it.Heh.The guy who runs TTAG also founded the TTAC The Truth About Cars. When he was running TTAC, the language was rather coarse, He described the front of the Subaru Tribeca as resembling a woman’s sexual part, and started an award, The Worst Autos Today, with an unfortunate acronym. If he put his foot in it , he plbbaory did it on purpose. Ironically, since he sold off TTAC, the new owners have installed such stringent monitoring software that commenters can’t even quote General Patton accurately.

        • Notario@Jack
          April 9, 2013, 8:43 pm

          Gee…. was this one of the firearms steoln by Nagins gestapo and stored at the bottom of the lake?(could not resist)Good advice Xavier. The one time I had to break camp over a major storm, my weapons were the first thing in the vehicle.

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